Just think about the wind in the upper atmosphere, considering the slow rate of revolution of the planet – only one side is heated, due to that, unlike earth. Surface conditions on Venus are difficult to deal with: the temperature at the equator averages around 450 Â°C (723 K; 842 Â°F), higher than the melting point of lead, which is 327 Â°C. Learning to become air and land dwellers could prove to be a valuable asset in the future. Floating cities on Jupiter/Saturn were part of a story by Azimov. Eventually, the mission could involve a permanent human presence … And back again. This way we can simply shut them all down when they’re done. Soo.. if floating oxygen and nitrogen bubbles is a practical idea, why send a plane? Let’s just face it — the Jetsons are our destiny. NASA plans airships, floating city for manned Venus mission At 50 kilometres above its surface, Venus offers one atmosphere of pressure and only slightly lower gravity than Earth. NASA plans to send solar-powered airships to explore Venus' atmosphere and to eventually establish a permanent human colony in a floating cloud city above the Earth's nearest planetary neighbour. You can bombard the poles with comets or nukes and spend centuries building up oxygen, and you get a planet with a thin, cold atmosphere which will require continued maintenance. Dave, a few things: Because there is not a significant pressure difference between the inside and the outside of the breathable-air balloon, any rips or tears would cause gases to diffuse at normal atmospheric mixing rates rather than an explosive decompression, giving time to repair any such damages. 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There’s not enough left to make any major bodies of water on the surface if the planet were cooled down, but there’s plenty left to harvest for industry and habitats. The tower/beanstalk concept is entirely unworkable on Venus. In any case, both heights are still beneath the cloud layer on venus - which consists of sulfur dioxide and droplets of sulfuric acid. Venus gets more intense sunlight than Earth; there would be no shortage of power. If it is ever colonized it will be because there is a demand for some mineral, ore, metal, or gas which might be found abundant on or in the surface. these could also with a genetic tweak or two perform photosynthesis and exhange the c02 of venus for oxygen. That would allow much better pix and better understanding of venus. Geoffrey.landis writes "Some of you may have heard me talk about colonizing Venus. [17][5] The proposals seek to remove or convert the dense carbon dioxide atmosphere, reduce Venus's 450 Â°C (723 K; 842 Â°F) surface temperature, and establish a day/night light cycle closer to that of Earth. I mean, what’s the number one industrial chemical in the world? Post was not sent - check your email addresses! The planet is very, very dry however – the acid clouds don’t amount to very much hydrogen or water at all. At least not on the scale of a city. The greater intensity of sunlight and the lack of a night period would make solar power far more effective. Venice, Italy, is known by several names, one of which is the ‘Floating City’. These blocks would be shot at high speed deep into the Venusian crust. Or if you’re hellbent on being in Venus’s atmosphere, build a huge tower a hundred miles tall and lower it to the surface, then put the city on it. Airhaven is a floating city in the Mortal Engines Quartet, that, through attaching gas bags, lifted itself into the air to avoid cities trying to eat it according to Municipal Darwinism. Most other space exploration and colonization plans face concerns about the damaging effect of long-term exposure to fractional g or zero gravity on the human musculoskeletal system. (CNN) Imagine a blimp city floating 30 miles above the scorching surface of Venus -- a home for a team of astronauts studying one of the solar system's most inhospitable planets. But that question is far from settled. the easiest way to terraform Mars is to use robot space craft to ‘nudge’ large comets so that they collde with Mars– possibly using nuclear blasts to alter the cometary orbits. One propelled by solar-powered ion engines, at that. Why bother to do anythig truly spectacular if you can’t get a flying car out of it? Soon Venus really will be our sister planet if we don’t get moving on Climate Change. If humans are still around in 6.5 billion years, I assume we’ll have colonized the greater portion of the universe, and the loss of this solar system won’t be so bad. Attach a big oxygen-nitrogen bad to yourself (the more N2 the better; it’s a little lighter than O2), and as long as you don’t puncture your O2 (which would do you in anyway), you don’t fall. The colonization of Venus has been a subject of many works of science fiction since before the dawn of spaceflight, and is still discussed from both a fictional and a scientific standpoint. NASA’s current plans are to focus on Mars. The atmosphere is devoid of molecular oxygen and is primarily carbon dioxide. It’s here that floating colonies have envisioned breathable air domes to lift a city off of the ground, with storage tanks of readily available hydrogen and helium allowing the lifting power to be adjusted. With its roughly 870 degrees Fahrenheit temperature, literally crushing surface pressure and toxic air, Venus is very much uninhabitable.However, according to NASA, the space thirty miles above it could be a perfectly lovely place to live.A report claims the space agency has set up a program called the High Altitude Venus Operational Concept to explore the possibility of a future floating … The atmosphere also provides the various elements required for human life and agriculture: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and sulfur. If we could find a reaction to combine the H2SO4, and fire off the oxygen (and hydrogen, necessarily) into space straight from the upper atmosphere as this is done, then conditions could get a lot more reasonable. Well, on Venus, guess what? And couldn’t we just purchase enough carbon credits to thin out that atmosphere? And while we’re on the topic of engineering, why even use organics when we could design/build artificial life forms using nanotechnology to withstand all the hazards. Of course, this is all FAR distant in the future, but we WILL need more room to expand. However, if heading upwind to stay in sunlight is impractical, it is still very possible to cast a drag anchor into the slow-moving lower atmosphere to stay in the sunlight longer, and move into the upper atmosphere to minimize the time spent on the night side. However, viewed in a different way, the problem with Venus is merely that the ground level is too far below the one atmosphere level. And the atmosphere is primarily CO2, which can provide carbon for polymers. 13 Share on Facebook. “for one, drexler type nanotech doesn’t even exist. Its gravitational acceleration is almost the same as Earth’s. The main product would be either nanotubes or stabilised carbonia – so much more carbon in Venus’s atmosphere than the whole asteroid Belt, and a lot of nitrogen too. [4] Flight time is also somewhat shorter; the Venus Express probe that arrived at Venus in April 2006 spent slightly over five months en route, compared to nearly six months for Mars Express. [citation needed], Proposed colonization of the planet Venus. It’s barely doable on Earth, and Venus simply doesn’t rotate fast enough (243 days per rotation) to hold an elevator or tower up. The rest is “easy”. “They knew it had a greenhouse effect, but they didn’t know how bad. Maybe that should be “Landis” Calrissian. [12] Compared to the Venusian solar day of 118 Earth days, colonies freely floating in this region could therefore have a much shorter day-night cycle. Here is the quick video of the imaginative floating city. I would have used hydrogen as the lifting gas since in a carbon dioxide atmosphere the hydrogen would not be explosive. However, with the discovery of Venus's extremely hostile surface environment, attention has largely shifted towards the colonization of the Moon and Mars instead, with proposals for Venus focused on colonies floating in the upper-middle atmosphere[1] and on terraforming. Airships, floating city: NASA's plan for manned Venus mission. “And I said, well, if you’re thinking that far into the future why don’t we think of some more groundbreaking, or perhaps we should say atmosphere-breaking possibilities.”. -Not everyone dealing with space exploration are involved in the invention of a flying car. Hmmm. Speaking of Jupiter and Saturn – they are emitting large amounts of radiation so no floating cities on them! Advancing and engineering that artificial life to terraform is not as far off as you might think. Yeah. We don’t really have any goal like ‘save us from the sun!’ or anything. Join our 836 patrons! Or instead of dry ice, these balloons could create diamonds and drop them onto the surface. Then tether with (multi-layer coated) stainless steel cables to an even larger cable between big rocks on the ground and a big rock in low synchronized orbit above. NASA wants to build a floating city above the clouds of Venus Venus exploration has been deemed off-limits due to its inhospitable climate -- but NASA believes Cloud City may be the answer. A version for operating in the Venusian atmosphere would have thinner walls, lacking the need to hold in the same internal pressure and protect from micrometeorites, simplified thermal control systems due to the more moderate environment, and possibly coatings to resist the sulfuric acid in the upper atmosphere of Venus. Structural and industrial materials would be hard to retrieve from the surface and expensive to bring from Earth/asteroids. The tricky part is getting the cable strong enough and light enough to work – as the US space elevator program has found. And people wonder why I want to see the human race wiped out.. I’d love to terraform Venus.. and then populate it with a race of heavily-armed robots with orders to shoot humans on sight. Protection against cosmic radiation would be provided by the atmosphere above, with shielding mass equivalent to Earth's.[11]. Alternatively, two-part domes could contain a lifting gas like hydrogen or helium (extractable from the atmosphere) to allow a higher mass density. But the heat would pretty effectively stop anything person sized. and it may never. Our air is lighter than air, or at least lighter than the Venus atmosphere.”. Use in situ resources to build a geodesic sphere with a diameter measured in kilometers. We will still have to find a way to solve the “Mars has no molten core” problem, but I figure once we are advance enough to transport large amounts of atmosphere from one planet to another, heating a planet’s core shouldn’t be too much of an issue. A punctue on Mars kills you. If so what is the minimum gravitational acceleration that will allow this to happen? That’s one of the reasons I started thinking about the floating cities on Venus. NASA plans to send solar-powered airships to explore Venus’ atmosphere and to eventually establish a permanent human colony in a floating cloud city above the Earth’s nearest planetary neighbour. The sulfuric acid itself poses a further challenge in that the colony would need to be constructed of or coated in materials resistant to corrosion by the acid, such as PTFE (a compound consisting wholly of carbon and fluorine). The velocity you gave was for the cloudtop winds in the middle latitudes. An intriguing idea even if it’s presently an impractical one. But all good ideas are at first. Asked if he has ever thought about terraforming Venus, Landis said, “Oh, yes, of course! This idea is just flaming bonkers. Adam: the winds are extremely variable in latitude and altitude. Try pushing a giant airship at hypersonic velocities through the upper atmosphere using ion engines…. Takes me back to James Blish ‘Cities in Flight’ books. I’m for any project that teaches us about our solar system! Perhaps we should spend more mental July 19, 2017 The floating city of Venice, one of the most extraordinary cities in the world was built on 118 islands in the middle of the Venetian Lagoon at the head of the Adriatic Sea in Northern Italy. It would reach up to 50 kilometres (31 mi) into the atmosphere where the temperature and pressure conditions are similar to Earth's. "At 50 kilometers above its surface, Venus offers one atmosphere of pressure and only slightly lower gravity than Earth," Ackerman wrote. I don’t think JP Aerospace is the company to look at…the upper atmosphere of Earth is a very different environment. I was thinking the same thing if you fall your done.. • A Floating City on Venus – article from The Space Monitor I expect that someday there might be a reason to build a floating city on Venus in a hundred or two hundred years, but in the nearer term I can see research stations similar to Antardtic research stations being established, maybe in the second half of this century. So in this video, we can see an imaginary (concept) … Energy? Landis, Geoffrey A., Colozza, Anthony, and LaMarre, Christopher M., Multiplanetary Society: A New Approach to Terraforming Venus, vol. This is because at closest approach, Venus is 40 million km (25 million mi) from Earth (approximated by perihelion of Earth minus aphelion of Venus) compared to 55 million km (34 million mi) for Mars (approximated by perihelion of Mars minus aphelion of Earth) making Venus the closest planet to Earth. If You are going to live on Mars/Venus/Moon etc then you must think of a way to protect humans from cosmic rays which basically is gamma radiation. They can barely build the small space station, so I won’t hold my breath while waiting for a Venus “floating city”…. So go ahead and plan it for Venus and then we can have it here on Earth ready to go in case a catastrophe requires it. Evan Ackerman of IEEE Spectrum elaborated on why it would make sense for NASA to have a floating city in the atmosphere of Venus 50 kilometers above its surface. Can a child develop properly in an environment where the gravitational acceleration is less than Earth’s? Because the atmosphere has raw materials for construction and building breathable atmosphere, and because the planet provides gravity that you’d otherwise need a large rotating habitat or tether-and-counterweight system to achieve, and a human-friendly temperature range that removes the need for complex thermal control systems. The original problem with Venus: because it was a little too hot originally, it had no water trap in the atmosphere, so it lost the hydrogen in its water due to photo-dissociation in the upper atmosphere. Perhaps this floating city should be floated over the toilet for a moment and then flushed. At present it has not been established whether the gravity of Mars, 0.38 times that of the Earth, would be sufficient to avoid bone decalcification and loss of muscle tone experienced by astronauts living in a micro-g environment. At cloud-top level, Venus is the paradise planet. The struts and suspension cables should probably be CNT’s for their strength/weight properties. This might be an interesting way to put sats up there in general. A colony in Venus’ atmosphere has a much better safety than a colony on Mars. If they do this crazy project before they get around to me getting my own flying car I am really going to upset.”. its very risky.falilur is 87.3 possiple(that’s what i think). I highly doubt Venus will be the first planet we colonize. As the man said – it’s just a thought exercise. “Or if you’re hellbent on being in Venus’s atmosphere, build a huge tower a hundred miles tall and lower it to the surface, then put the city on it.”. No magnetic field, and no ozone layer, may not be a big problem: Stay on the night side, and you don’t get zapped with UV *or* charged particles *or* X-rays from the Sun. disadvantage: every 11 year a total evacuation. Atmospheric diving suits can operate near the 90 atmospheres. [Gobi|Sahara|Mojave] desert first. Venus's atmosphere is made mostly out of carbon dioxide. For a more logistical and informative piece on this, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus#Aerostat_habitats_and_floating_cities. At least as early as 1971[9] Soviet scientists have suggested that rather than attempting to colonize Venus' hostile surface, humans might attempt to colonize the Venerian atmosphere. Another common thread in most proposals involves some introduction of large quantities of hydrogen or water. Seemingly, people in the space community have a tendency to push the boundaries of thought about all the possibilities that await us in the universe. Anyone having visions of Bespin and Lando Calrissian from “The Empire Strikes Back”? Mars is often chosen as the ideal planet because scientists have various evidence that suggest the red planet once had water; and where there is water, life as we know it can … I expect the cosmic ray flux on the night side of Venus would be similar to that on Earth. Why bother to put it on Venus? There are numerous floating habitats on the Venus-like planet Chilo in Tobias S. Buckell 's novel Sly Mongoose. NASA plans to send solar-powered airships to explore Venus' atmosphere and to eventually establish a permanent human colony in a floating cloud city above the Earth's nearest planetary neighbour. With current propulsion systems, launch windows to Venus occur every 584 days,[3] compared to the 780 days for Mars. At an altitude of 50 kilometres (31 mi) above the Venerian surface, the environment is the most Earth-like in the Solar System – a pressure of approximately 1 atm or 1000 hPa and temperatures in the 0 to 50 Â°C (273 to 323 K; 32 to 122 Â°F) range. Coat the floating cities in a thick layer of known bacteria from earth that eat sulfuric acid, its nutritious for them! Venus's relative proximity makes transportation and communications easier than for most other locations in the Solar System. NASA is still planning to colonize Venus with the floating city (Inflating Airships). This would be an engineering project orders of magnitude beyond anything we’ve attempted, and the cost would be unrealistic to put it kindly. Doesn’t matter to me. (3) It seems that a unmanned operation, at most, would be far more practical on just about every level, barring very unusual discoveries on Venus into the foreseeable future. I thought space exploration was all about hiding from the sun and rouge asteroids. Build a bunch of balloons, each with it’s own freezer that would siphon in carbon dioxide and freeze it into huge blocks of dry ice. effort working out how to colonise the (Someone please straighten me out if this is off the mark.). a few hundred years of this, with bacterial bio-remediation, and Mars could be very habitable. Besides, a billion years is enough for a few million generations of humans using the planet until the sun expands – which is early enough to think about leaving. I suspect thngs would look more like the mess shown in ‘The Fifth Element,’ rather than the neat, orderly flyways of ‘Back to the Future II’ or ‘The Jetsons.’, I don’t trust a lot of people to drive in TWO dimensions…. That’ll solve all your H2O needs. Again, that’s really our real goal right now. Because I feel like it. We’ve gone from caves to space stations. Last but not least, this is not looking at how you'd actually build your city on Venus and make it float at such such a high altitude. Join me if you want, stay on Earth if you prefer. This is one of the reasons that I would tend to agree with Gerard O’Neill that our off-Earth colonies should be rotating in free space where we can control the acceleration environment as apposed to planetary surfaces. NASA Wants To Establish A Floating Cloud City To Study Venus. -Space exploration will probably be really beneficial to humans once we do start colonizing places or getting resources from other locations etcetc; however, for now we’re just learning about the final frontier. With a wide vista and artificial day and and night cycles there is no need for windows. Industrialising Venus would motivate investment in floating facilities there. Really, due to the low gravity, weather, and reduced sunlight, you’re better off with orbital habitats where you can achieve Earthlike spin gravity and use mirrors to concentrate sunlight. Something like http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/help/tutorials/housefuture.htm. Geoffrey A. Landis of NASA's Glenn Research Center has summarized the perceived difficulties in colonizing Venus as being merely from the assumption that a colony would need to be based on the surface of a planet:.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 40px}.mw-parser-output .templatequote .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;padding-left:1.6em;margin-top:0}. It would be a base from which to work down to the surface. It even got that far that NASA was worried about the electronics of space probes being seriously affected. We must remember we’re still having trouble sending robots to Mars, and sending humans on a short trip to the moon is still 10 years off. Sinistro: the thick, radiation and micrometeorite-blocking and temperature-regulating atmosphere would make Venus one of the safest places in the solar system for habitats. the question is, can we implement it? But up about 50 kilometers above the surface, Landis says the atmosphere of Venus is the most Earth-like environment, other than Earth itself, in the solar system. That latter is not actually particularly hard to accomplish, the current materials (largely Vectran, apparently) might already be sufficient. wtf is going on at mimas? I think Buckminster Fuller’s Cloud 9 concept would be perfect for this. Share on Twitter. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. “Because the atmosphere of Venus is CO2, the gases that we live in all the time, nitrogen and oxygen, would be a lifting gas,” he said. The Construction of Venice, the Floating City. Think floating Venus habitats are unrealistic? Sounds like something Greg Egan would dream up! Crazy, of course. Nasty triple threat atmosphere on Venus. Never will happen Breathing air on Venus is impossible, as the enormous weight of the atmosphere would crush our body and the surface temperature is high enough to melt lead. Looks like a great place for a penal colony! My best guess is that they don’t actually mean *orbit* in the sense of being high enough and fast enough to circle the globe without power, and will eventually reveal that they’re marketing powered upper atmosphere airships as substitutes for orbital satellites. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. People live on the inside of the sphere. “They didn’t quite know how difficult Venus is, they didn’t know how thick the atmosphere was on Venus and how hot it was,” said Landis. Case in point: Geoffrey Landis. NASA is currently doing just that; floating a concept that could one day see a 30-day manned mission to Earth’s closest planetary neighbor. I wonder if, someday in the future, we use technology to siphon off excess gasses from Venus, transport them to Mars and release them into Mars’ atmosphere. The biggest challenge would be using a substance resistant to sulfuric acid to form the outer layer of the bubble; ceramics or metal sulfates could possibly serve in this role, but of course, you’d want to be able to see outside, as well. As long as enough of them stay afloat, they could slowly eat the sulfur and Carbon in CO2 and take it with them when they fall down, clearing up the upper skies and providing oxygen too. gotta agree with ChrisD. Such a structure could be built using autonomous robotic bulldozers and excavators that have been hardened against the extreme temperature and pressure of the Venus atmosphere. Last week Landis shared with us his ideas for using a solar powered airplane to study Venus. For a floating city, the best choice would then be plastic with a few small glass windows. While I am by no means a famous writer, I wrote about this exact same thing in various internet forums over a decade ago. A terrible waste of volatile ices, a hazard to habitats and probes already in the atmosphere, and a disruption to observations of the atmosphere. NASA Proposes Setting up a ‘Floating City’ in the Atmosphere of Planet Venus. and also, the small size of bacteria is one of their chief advantages. Landis has proposed aerostat habitats followed by floating cities, based on the concept that breathable air (21:79 oxygen/nitrogen mixture) is a lifting gas in the dense carbon dioxide atmosphere, with over 60% of the lifting power that helium has on Earth. if things went extremely pear shaped. Nasa plans to send solar-powered airships to explore Venus' atmosphere and to eventually establish a permanent human colony in a floating cloud city above the Earth's nearest planetary neighbour. Proposals also involve either freezing most of Venus's atmospheric CO2, or converting it to carbonates,[18] urea[citation needed] or other forms. [13] Therefore, putting on or taking off suits for working outside would be easier. BTW: cosmic rays are (mostly) NOT gamma rays, they are extremely high-energy particles, and in any case are NOT stopped much by a magnetic field. “Just think of the great pictures you could get,” said Landis. http://www.fzd.de/FWS/FWSH/Stefani/iutam.html. When considering other places to live in the universe, Venus has one advantage that Mars does not. I’d be more inclined to try out the physics of tethering it to a space elevator – this would provide access to orbit AND the surface. NASA wants to send humans to build a floating city above The Surface of Venus. Many reasons to do it. and also, the small size of bacteria is one of their chief advantages. Larry Niven’s Ringworld made a remark that I guess in retrospect should have been obvious to me–that a huge byproduct of human civilization is planetary heat. NASA envisions a floating city above Venus. I don’t expect people will be building cities on Venus, at least probably not in this century.”. If we’re talking about genetically tweaked bacteria, why would they have to be small? “If you could just take the room you’re sitting in and replace the walls with something thinner, the room would float on Venus,” said Landis. Even though there are machines that can replicate the magnetic field created by Earth they dont seem to be able to protect the whole planet. Essentially, we have two planets other than earth that are at extreme ends of the ecology spectrum. Link 3 or more of these spheres together in triangle formations for stability so that wind or minor mass movements within the sphere won’t make them roll. Venus will not be easy to build a city on, but it is a good target for terraformation (and thinking about how to control its temperature is a good thought exercise for dealing with long term climate swings on earth). Venus is effectively the only other source of nitrogen in the inner system aside from Earth itself, and although Venus is very dry, the atmosphere does contain water, and sulfuric acid which can be converted into water or itself used in industrial processes. this would create a water and oxygen loaded atmosphere almost instantly. However the use of a nitrogen oxygen atmosphere, though less boyant, is very elegant. (1) This definitely is not a new idea. At 5 km (3.1 mi) higher, it is a temperate 27 Â°C (300 K; 81 Â°F) (see Atmosphere of Venus § Troposphere). At the altitude a habitat is likely to occupy, windspeed is less than half that. Besides, think it through. Of course the bots and flying sensors are well worth it and will increase in the future in their atmosphere. The Atmosphere of Mars, as well as the Moon provide little such protection.[6][7][8]. “If they do this crazy project before they get around to me getting my own flying car I am really going to upset. Terraforming is a waste of time and effort. The more you look at Venus, the more you say, ‘oh my goodness, terraforming would be a really hard project.'”. At this height, the temperature is a manageable 75 Â°C (348 K; 167 Â°F). Has anyone thought about the magnetic field? Welcome to the floating city Let’s start with the pragmatic reasons to pick Venus as our next stop for human habitation. So while I used to think we should seek warm planets to live on, now that I see how easy it is to heat them and how hard it is to cool them, I’m more bullish these days on colder worlds than I used to be. It would require an enormous investment of resources and would require constant maintenance. The problems that a Venusian colony seems to pose at first glance seem to gradually disappear as it slowly builds height in the Venus skies. http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/07/22/powered-enzyme-reduces-carbon-dioxide. No problem. 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